1.. Guide to Sentinel 3.. The FIRST Issue 5.. Contact Addresses 6.. Nemesis the Warlock 9.. The Magic of FX 11.. Adventures of J.Worth 13.. Horror of Clive Barker 15.. Chester of Brainstorm 19.. The Team Magazines 22.. Reaktor Interview 26.. Turbo Laming Horror 30.. Sun Connection 33.. Behind the Masks 35.. Qualifying for the P.A. 36.. Bustman of Crusaders 40.. Very Advanced Coding 43.. Magnetic Fields 46.. High Quality Jokes 50.. Advertisements.. 57.. End of the Universe Wanna print page ( Y/N ) ? Couldn't find the fuckin' parallel.device. Either somebody stole it or I'm out of fuckin' memory... Hit the fuckin' SPACE.. QUALIFYING FOR POLICE ACADEMY 35 1/1 QUALIFYING FOR POLICE ACADEMY As you might know, the work of the police is among the hardest and the most demanding professions of all. The work requires high intelligence, skill, knowledge of human psychology and everything that is needed to handle people in difficult situations. Of course, not everyone can be a police. The qualification examinations at the police academy are planned to allow only best applicants the possibility to train themselves before they start the hardest work of all, the work of a law enforce- ment officer. To give you a picture how hard these exams can be, we have included parts of the test here. PO-LI-CE ACA-DE-MY QUA-LI-FYING EXAMS WRITTEN PART. When answering the questions, use only black or blue crayons. Don't mess up the paper. MATHEMATICS ENGLISH How much is 1? Find out a word that begins with a letter. Practical part: 1. Try to walk and eat chewing gum at the same time. NO MORE PAGES PUNK 57 1/1 AVERAGE READER INTERVIEW - Well, how did you like this new mag ? - Zzzz.... - HEY PUNK!! Wake up!! We worked like hell for this mag (2 days) ! Now tell us if you liked it! - Zzzz... Where's the QUIT button??? - It's the DEL button ... But hey, don't press it yet! DIDYA HEAR ME?? DON'T PR Contact Dictators Finland and editors of SENTINEL thru: WARLOCK MR. MAD P.O.Box 27 Poste Restante 20540 Turku 20540 Turku Finland Finland B\NDIT BARRAX / EUPHORIA Poste Restante 41940 Vesanka 21200 Raisio Finland Finland WELCOME TO SENTINEL PAGE 1 1 of 2 THE SENTINEL ( a Gallup poll is being made in the streets. People are stopped,questions are asked..) - Hi! Do you think there are too many disk magazines? - Definitely! Just too many! And too many lame ones! - I see... Hello, you there! Yes, you! Do you think there are too many disk mags?? - Well...I..Err.. I guess so.. - Thank you... How about you? Are there too many mags? - Oh yes! I think everybody who starts a new mag should be shot!! - Shot? Gulp...Hey Mr. Mad,let's quit this gallup.. I think nobody wants a new diskmag... - Hell. And we've got Sentinel almost ready... . - Yeah but I don't want to die.. - Don't be such a coward, let's just release it! - Ok, ok, but I don't think it's a good idea... HELP Arrowkeys: (left) : Previous page (Right) : Next page (left Alt) : Previous article (right Alt) : Next article (P) : Print page (DEL) : Quit this shit (SPACE/HELP) : Get Directory In menu: (Arrowkeys) : Up/Down (Space/Return): Select => => => WELCOME TO SENTINEL 2 2/2 Gadgets on the right side of the page: Next Page Previous Page Next article Previous article Print page Directory Note that "Print Page" prints only text... what, you want the pictures too? Hmm... lets see.. void DumpRPort (request, rastPort, col, modes, sx, sy, sw ,sh, dc, dr, s) union printerIO *request; struct RastPort *rastPort; struct ColorMap *colorMap; ULONG modes; UWORD sx, sy, sw, sh; Hmmmmhhhh..... maybe in next issue you can print 'em pictures... But . as the coder of this mag is lazy and not very good at coding, you'll just have to wait... EDITORS Negyxo Dr. Lizard Doc Death Mr. Mad Warlock Bandit Barrax Graphics: Dr. Lizard Doc Death Coding: Muzak: Negyxo Voya-Ger . CLIVE BARKER 13 1/2 THE HORROR WRITER OF OUR TIME "Barker gets us others look out like we have been sleeping for last ten years... He is even better than I am now." That's what famous horror writer Stephen King has said about Clive Barker. Also other writers, such as Ramsy Campbell, James Herbert and Peter Straub, have praised Barker.Barker's stories are full of horror and imagination. He isn't content with the normal monsters, but he developes new kinds of evil things, monsters and evil forces. In the age of 30, Clive Barker wrote series of 'Books Of Blood' and he also drew covers to those. In those books there's lots of Barker's short stories. 'In the Hills, the - Cities', there's a fight between two cities. Both of the cities make up a giant from the people of their city and go to the hills to fight. Another good example is from the same Barker's book: 'Books of Blood volume 1', 'The Midnight Meat Train', where a butcher kills people in the subway to feed Gods of the City. Barker is specially good writing short novels. Other writers would stretch stories and make those longer books. Barker's first long book after 'Books of Blood'-serie is 'The Damnation game' and it's much like 'Books of Blood'-serie. Barker has also written other books: Weaveworld, Cabal, The Great and Secret Show. CLIVE BARKER 14 2/2 Clive Barker's stories has been published also as comics. Stories are drawn by John Bolton and the every picture in comics are like paintings. Tapping The Vein, Hellraiser and Nightbreed are the names of the Barker's comics. Like Stephen King, Clive Barker has also made movies. He has written and also directed such movies as Hellraiser and Nightbreed. Rawhead Rex and Hellraiser II: Hellbound are also from Barker's pen, but they aren't as good as Hellraiser and Nightbreed, because he hasn't directed them. Hellraiser shows you the nailheaded cenobite and a magical puzzle box, which opens doors to hell. "Yell your lungs out and - remember:there's barf bags behind you", said Barker at the opening evening of Hellraiser. Clive Barker has said:"I`ve never had a horrible experience in my life. When I was in mortuary one and a half day,it was DELIGHTFUL. Maybe that's why I write this stuff - to really scare me up." "I have such sights to show you..." (From Hellraiser) Thanks to finnish horror comic 'Kalma' for information Doc Death of Dictators Finland FIRST ISSUE Yo yo yo yo yo!!! This is the first issue so everything is more or less out of order! As you see, we have less than 60 pages of stuff! News? NEWS? Well... I HAD some news.. But as I was walking home from the local "Death to the MS-DOS users" meeting , suddenly these 25 ninja assassins attacked me...Arrgghhhhhhhh! (got a scratch in my little- finger...) Hell, where did those 25 bloody corpses come from? Sorry pals,but you should know that I get angry easily.. Actually,we had the news but as mag took some time to make they got old and were dumped. Megamega thanks to Chester for sending us our first news.. Thanks must also go to everyone who has sent us articles or other material ! Thanks, and keep on going ! Then a message to all readers: If you would like to see your own material published in this mag, send it to addresses following this page ! And now.. Time for the articles! SENTINEL CONTENTS RETURN TO SELECT BUSTMAN OF CRUSADERS 36 1/4 CRUSADERS Interview conducted by BARRAX Hi Bustman! Could you please tell our readers something about you? Well, I am a normally freaky guy at the age of 17. As you all have guessed I am a brisk member of the group Crusaders, as a graphics artist. Additionally I am a swapper...trading with a few folks around the globe. How many contacts do you have? Actually, what a question! I do not think the main purpose of swapping is to have as many contacts as possible. I swap more for the sake of friendship, even if I have some hi & bye-contacts. Ok, I have about 40-50 contacts. And that is the lot. - In what groups have you been? I have been in and out of quite a lot of unknown groups.Before I joined Crusaders, I was a member of a group called Errors.They were nearly dead, so I left them. Nothing to make a story about. Your hardware? As everybody else I own an A500. besides I have a 1084S monitor and 512K expansion RAM.Not much, but enough really.Oh, and not to mention all my destroyed joysticks, plus all my nearly destroyed disks... BUSTMAN OF CRUSADERS 37 2/4 Name your favourites. I still like Red Sector Inc. my favourite demo must be the amusing Budbrain megademo. It really got me laughing! I think our two own musicians, Dr.Awesome and Fleshbrain, are some of the best around.Especially Fleshbrain But there are of course other good ones like Romeo Knight/Red Sector Inc., Uncle Tom/Razor 1911 and Walkman/Cryptoburners. Your plans for 1991? Hmm, difficult to say. I will never stop drawing graphics...so I hope I will get a lot of things to do the next few years.But it is still a long time before 1990 takes farewell.who knows what the next year will bring? I do not know..that is for sure. - When was Crusaders founded? Our group was found back in 1988, around christmas time.at that time Crusaders consisted of ten members, Dr.Awesome, Switchblade, Copper, Zuggly, Bravestarr, Lazerbrain, Swapperboy, El Cubo, Dr.Outtasight, Dr.Claw. They had all been members of different groups like Iff, Abnormal and Jetboys. Why Crusaders was found? Well, probably to have lot of fun... Are you planning to buy a modem or do you already have one? Yes, I will maybe buy a modem within half a year or so. But I do not think I will use it a lot, I can hardly afford mail-swapping these days... And I will have to BUSTMAN OF CRUSADERS 38 3/4 think more about school now than I did before. You know, school costs money too! Anyway, we have already got a lot of modems in Crusaders. You must for sure know about our boards, we have even got one in the States. Who's idea was it to start making the Eurochart? It was originally Dr.Awesome and El Cubo who got this splendid idea about making a top-ten chart that everybody could take part in. As the idea about Eurochart got to be a reality, we all helped with different bits and parts. What is your opinion about lamers? Actually, I do not have much against lamers. As long as they - do not bother me, just fine. But when they start sending me disks with a lot of nasty stuff and still wonder why I have not answered them, then I do not like lamers. But we seem to forget the fact that we all have been a lamer back in the past. So as long as they keep away from me, they are ok. Usual question: What do you think about the friendship movement? Strange, but I do not know much about this movement really. I have seen some of the products released under this movement, and they are OK.I think I swap with a few groups in that movement too. BUSTMAN OF CRUSADERS 39 4/4 At the end of this interview, is there anything you want to say? Yes, there is in fact a few things I would like to say. First of all I want to thank for this nice interview, I have answered your questions exclusively for your magazine! Secondly I want to burst out a hello to all my friends living on this planet. And finally a request to all you people reading! Vote for the official Eurochart top-ten! All votes can be sent to this address... Crusaders Postbox 45 1474 Nordbyhagen Norway - Or contact me personally,also for swapping graphics and such stuff: Bustman/Crusaders Myrdalskogen 379 5095 Ulset Norway DRUGS IN THE SCENE Smack Crack Coke aamuun alkavaan... Smack Crack Coke auttaa jaksamaan... MAGNETIC FIELDS 43 1/3 FRAP OF MAGNETIC FIELDS - Hello everyone! This is Frap of Magnetic Fields and I am the dedicated demofreak of this group which I supply the rest of MF with the V. Latest demos (worldwide), before the next saga of questions I am 17 years old. How many contacts do you have at the moment? - At this very moment I have around 60 groovy and cool contacts which at least 50 of 'em are European dudes! The reason that I mostly swap with groups abroad is that demofreaks must only swap with european groups in order to grab every demo. - When was the M.F. founded? -Magnetic Fields was formed about 1 and a half years ago when two groups thought about the idea of a merge. The two groups consisted of a group I belonged to which was called Sub-Zero (remember the C64 group) and another group called Nitro A.C. At first there was a co-operation for some time between us and we thought how about a new group (yeah!). We all said OK and Magnetic Fields was formed among us all. What was your first release? The first release of Magnetic Fields was a small intro which had Garfield music.But our first proper demo was the cool vectorbobs, but always look out for more productions coming real soon. MAGNETIC FIELDS 44 2/3 What are the aims and future projects of M. Fields? Our future aims is just to be a well organized group and keep in touch with all our dedicated friends in this scene of Amiga- warez, while keep releasing new productions. Thy hardware? Our hardware isn't anything special except the usual bit's with 5.25 drives etc. How many members M.F. has? At the moment we have 15 members, as recently we have kicked out our modemtrader called Opal for bullshitting, but anyone interested in joining please contact me at the end of this interview (only coders,musicians) - Your favorites? -My all time favourite demo is the RSI megademo and the CeBit 90 demo, but also the BudBrain's m. demo is cool as well. My favourite musicians are Romeo Knight, Uncle Tom, Einstein. My favourite graphician is Joe/Scoopex and drink has got to be cor porahan pop (water) What would you want if you had three wishes? If I had three wishes my choices would be: 1st wish: I had Kim Basinger on a desert island for eternity. ( life ) 2nd wish: I wouldn't have to look at X-Copy again but still copy discs. MAGNETIC FIELDS 45 3/3 3rd wish: All Atari ST owners were blasted to bits by all Amiga-owners. What do you think about the Friendship-label ? I think it is a cool idea that everyone stays friends as a lot of hatred goes on with groups thinking they are better than each other as everyone contributes to the scene not just one group.I was thinking that there should be a place every year that all groups attend where a huge copy-party should be held instead of various parties, there should be a party such as Friendship Conference 90 in Sweden or other country easy to get to for all groups (worldwide) and meet up. Just think all the well known groups meeting up once a year and talking all their - latest wares and release a few productions it would be be the best-ever party with at least 200-300 demos being released. (Think about it everyone it could be done if everyone contributes). 11.name some of your hobbies besides computing! My other hobbies besides computing is playing snooker, tennis and just the usual bit's "staying alive!" having lots of fun. Thank you everyone who has read this and sorry it has been so boring!!! Please look out for further releases and I hope you like our latest product called "Zarjaz" demo which is a really freaky demo. If anyone is interested in contacting me for the latest wares look in the advertisements. LAME HORROR 26 1/4 TURBO LAMERS Well this happened to a very good friend of mine a couple of months ago.He lived in the city of Xxxx, and belonged to a crew which in 1989 was one the best but now has been quiet for a long time. My friend used to code a lot and in in some cases swap too. He was well known in his hometown,having won a demo-competition in a local copy-party. Then one warm Thursday in May his doorbell rang and totally strange guy stood behind the door holding a plastic bag full of disks. - Hello, the stranger said. - I've heard that you're a very cool coder and and you also swap! That's so ...cool! - - Er..do you belong to any team I know?, my friend asked. - Well, not really, but that's 'cos I just bought my Amiga, but I've sent an application for membership to at least 20 teams! I should get an answer in just a couple of days!!! - ..sure,sure. What do you want from me? - I'd like to copy some stuff, if you please, the visitor said and waved his bag of 120 disks with a satanic glare in his eyes. Maybe the flattering that the stranger used had some effect because my friend let the lamer in and allowed to copy the newest stuff. After a couple of hours the visitor left with dozens of filled disks and a happy smile. LAME HORROR 27 2/4 - Thanks a lot, this is really great stuff, thank you... the stranger mumbled while leaving. "Well... made another new Amiga- owner happy", thought my friend and felt more or less satisfied helping a beginner. Next afternoon the yesterdays' visitor was again on the door with a full of disks. But this time he had brought a friend with him ; a second lamer who stood on the doorstep - with a box full of disks. The first lamer looked more confident and sure of himself than he had been on Thursday. He told that he had founded a new team with the another guy. The team's name was 'Ultra Pampers' and they would concentrate to swapping in the beginning, but as - the second lamer said: "A mega- demo is on the pipeline! By the way,how can I make a copperlist?" My friend sighed, thinking that beginners should be helped and let the visitors in. After a few hours of X-Copying, the lamers left and he felt that he had done the right thing. On Saturday my friend was lying on his bed with a little hangover to get rid of, while he heard the doorbell ringing. "Who the fuck disturbs decent people on Saturday mornings", he thought and discovered four members of Ultra Pampers behind the door. Both of the Friday's visitors had recruited a new member, and now the new members would like to copy "a couple of disks", as they LAME HORROR 28 3/4 said waving their king-size disk- boxes. - Hey guys, why don't you come back tomorrow, I don't feel very good right now... But then he saw the lamers' faces go sad and decided to let the poor bastards in. The "Pamperses" spent their time shouting and copyng and breaking the furniture so that my friend was very glad to get rid of them. Then on Sunday... eight creeps had invaded his house and he was having trouble finding a polite way to kick the bastards out. On Monday he regreted his politeness as 16 "cool guys" stood on the porch. "Yo man its a COPY-PARTY!" They had brought with them their Amigas,diskdrives, modems,mothers and dogs. With the modems they recruited during the party new people so that on the second day - of the party Ultra Pampers had 32 members... After the copyparty my friend had three very quiet and nice days, but even then he felt that he would hear from them again, and a cold feeling crept in his spines. On Saturday he woke up in a terrible noise. He looked thru his window to a nearby football- field where masses of people were gathered together. ..512 of them. My friend escaped from his house. As he ran away he saw the 512 lamers walking towards his door. And all of them had king-size diskboxes... Lamer Later events could be read from the news- papers as more and more lamers invaded his hometown. Next Friday 32768 creeps arrived filling all hotels, motels and camping areas,and no end for this could be seen.After four days 524288 visitors were ruining the economy of the country, leaving behind ruins and burned land.Well, as this isnt a horror mag, I'll skip the part with 4294967296 lamers ... In the end my friend sat in his cold and dark hotelroom, won- dering how things would be if he had just shot the first lamer in the beginning... Moral: KILL LAMERS! HIGH LEVEL CODING 40 1/3 VERY ADVANCED CODING or how to do a CLI-menupack!!!!!! Hi fans! I bet that many of ya have wondered how to code a cool CLI-menupack! But I gotta tell ya now that this isn't the easiest thing in the world. Indeed it requires time, concentration and skill from ya. But we in Ultra Pampers do CLI-packs almost every month, as we are very good & cool coders. Our coding specialist MR. CODE will now tell ya how to create a very cool cli-pack. ... hi fans! This is Mr. Code online!!! First of all I must tell ya that you will need some advanced utility-programs when coding a cli-menupack.If you don't happen to own all the following progs, you can mail-order them from us at a considerable price of $9.95!!! Here's a list of the important utilities: Ed, Type, Border, Diskmaster Setkey. HIGH LEVEL CODING 41 2/3 Now lets talk business.Make sure that all your utilities are at hand and begin with loading DiskMaster. When searching carefully, you'll you'll notice a text 'FORMAT'. Insert a new disk to drive and press the format button. Wait for a while. Now use the DiskMaster to copy the files you want to see on the cool cli-pack disk. After this comes the hardest part, but if you do everything as instructed, you can complete the pack without problems. You should now load the kool program called "Ed". If you have trouble in using Ed, don't panic, just call +44-071-497 8973 for Ed-instructions. Here comes the text you should write with the editor: File 1: S/Startup-sequence Border (THE BIG KEY) Setmap goolmap Type S/Message ;FUK OFF LAMMERS!! <- This here is a comment File 2: S/Message ANNOTHER FUKING AND VERY VER COOL PACK CREATED BY ULTRA-PAMPERS RELASE DATE: 26-06-90 EAT SHIT LAMMMERS F1: ECISION INTRO F2: X-BEAT INTrO F3: BLOODSUKKERS IntRO GREETINGS TO: X-MEN & PHR-CREW HIGH LEVEL CODING 42 3/3 After you've written these text-files (remember to save 'em too) it's time to load the ever-cool Setkey. Use it to edit the text in the fuctionkeys (F1-F10) to those cool filenames your cool pack has. After this, the pack is beginning to be ready. Test-drive the pack once or twice, so you can see it works. Don't worry if the pack don't work in the beginning, this kind of Advanced Coding takes patience and determination to succeed. And remember: Nobody's perfect!! Mr. Code lock..lokk...logging off! MARC PANTHER OF REAKTOR 22 1/4 REAKTOR INTERVIEW At first,please introduce yourself My name is Marc Panther of Reaktor and I'm one of the musicians in the group! 2. Tell something about your and Reaktors history? Reaktor was formed on the 28th July between Slipstream and Mayhem and now Phoenix New Zealand has joined us! We have 3 bbs in England! 1 bbs in New Zealand! 1 bbs in the good ol' USA! 3. How many members has Reaktor got and what are they doing? Hmm..This is a trick question eh? Well to be honest I dunno but I can take a guess, lots! And I really can't say what they're doing right now, but I hope it's all in good taste! 4. Have you got any future plans? My future plans are to make more music and improve on my tunes, but copying gets in the way AAARRRRGGGHHH!! MARC PANTHER OF REAKTOR 23 2/4 5. Then the very boring and usual questions. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Who/What is the best: 1:Team, 2:Demo, 3:Mega-Demo, 4: Utility 5: Cracker, 6: Coder, 7: GFX-man, 8: Musician, 9: Arcade game?, 10: Adventure game... 1. I can't really tell you who the best team is as they are so many good teams. 2. I think the best demo is/was the Ce-bit demo by Red Sector. 3. They are two mega-demos I like and they are Death Star mega- demo and RSI mega-demo. 4. The best utility is Noisetracker v2.0. 5. Hmm I dunno who's best. 6. My very good friend Photon (ex.Oracle) 7. GFX-man the best - I think it's J.O.E. 8. The best musician I think (apart from myself he-he just joking). My very good long time friend Dr.Awesome this guy just gets better and better. 9. Super Hang-on 10. I like two adventure/strategy games and they are Elite and Dungeonmaster. MARC PANTHER OF REAKTOR 24 3/4 6. What do you think about lamers? Lamers I don't think about them but every one starts out as lamer until they get established. 7. Please tell me something about English scene? The English scene is very poor at the moment not a lot is happening but hopefully this will change. Apart from Reaktor there's Magnetic Fields, Anarchy and a few more groups. Not a lot of UK groups are regularly producing demos. The flow of demos are not as frequent as the teams across the water! They're lots of modem traders keeping a steady flow of stuff circulating the U.K. Good copy-partys are few, Magnetic Fields are having a copyparty on the 27th October. If you wanna go just contact your nearest M.F. member, he should have the details. 8. And something about the Amiga-scene world-wide? Well teams come and go and new guys make themselves known and teams fight with other teams when you think about it not alot has changed since the last 3 years. Remember this! Things can only get better. The Amiga-scene world-wide will take a long long time to burn down. MARC PANTHER OF REAKTOR 25 4/4 What's your opinion about other diskmagazines,like ZINE,NOT etc. I read'em all when I get them (who doesn't). It must take a lot of spare time for some guys to piece them together.If the interest and dedication is there and lots of people are prepared to write / send articles (disk mags need support like regular articles,adverts etc. without them they won't survive for very long ). So if you're got anything you wanna say contact the editor of your favourite disk magazine. At the end , do you have any last words? I could give my greets list but it's so boring and long! If anybody reading this would like to trade with anybody in Reaktor,Anarchy,or Magnetic Fields look in the adverts part of this mag. One last sentence please,please if any of you cool guys send disks to a long distance address please use a strong envelope. Ok, thanks Marc for this chat - live long and prosper... SHIT MAGS BY BANDIT 19 1/3 ABOUT TEAM MAGAZINES... It seems to be very popular to publish a diskmag or papermag among teams, groups and crews. I can't say much about papermags, coz I have read only one (Gridpoint Observer (Thanks Chris)) of them, and because it's material,which was something else too beside the normal computer things. For example the first issue contained an article named ' The Beatles - a swindle which brought millions of dollars', which I personally find a very good change to the boooooring scene reporting and advertisement stuff in other mags. I've heard ( read ) about some other papermags, but never succeeded to catch any... With tiskmags the situation is much different. Every group, even the lamest ones, are publishing a disk 'magazine' ... And when reading those, I can read the editorial saying:'Not much articles this time, but if you, our dear readers, could send some...' Argh!!! The idea of publishing a diskmag is to write the stuff yourself!!! The mag's editorial staff should keep the same (usually the mag's publishing team), and just in some cases they should use outside assistants. If the mag's editors are changing rapidly,the mag gets a messy look and the quality goes down as editor's dick after a goood fuck - slowly, but surely. SHIT MAGS BY BANDIT 20 2/3 Only mag which gets on with much changing editors is Cracker Journal. I think it's the most popular and famous mag, and simply the best! For example the DISC has the same editors ( Level 4 and Phaze 101 ) continuously. That's why it shares the second place with Zine. What comes to the half and half mags, I can't say anything, coz I've only seen the disk-half of Stolen Data and... Hm... In my opinion the mag should be completely on disk or on paper. It gives a cripple overview, when you happen to see only the disk part... Sorry pals... The material used in most of mags is just the editorial thing, news and advertisements. Before publishing a disk (or paper) mag,the team should think very carefully, do they have enough material for the mag, and if they have, there is someone who is purely interested in doing some real, hard and sweaty WORK for the mag. There's no point to publish a piece of shit on a nameless disk and then leave the mag after 1st issue. NO! The mag should be continuous and it should contain some real quality. Spreading the diskmag should be so total, that no-one could say: 'I haven't even heard 'bout it..' The team should give some info 'bout it before releasing, or spread some nice-looking intros telling,that something special is just about to being released... The other thing is the disks. The disk should be a quality disk when it is sent by SHIT MAGS BY BANDIT 21 3/3 the releasing team. I know, that disks cost. TDKs and Scotchs are quality disks and the diskmags should originally be released on these. Team may want some price for the mags, but when paying this price, you make more sure that the next issue will see the light of day. This sounds like anti-piratism preach, but.. There was a few things about mags and publishing them. It doesn't mean that this magazine is completely perfect, but... This was only my own opinion about diskmags! Stay gool! Well one thing we're going to avoid when making this mag is just that "HEY SEND US MORE ARTICLES" shit. Of course, if you want to see your writing published, you can send it to us. But we try to NOT be dependant on the 'guest star' writers, as we have writers of our own. . written by DRL NEMESIS THE WARLOCK 6 1/3 I guess many of you are now thinking: "What Nemesis !??" or "Has it something to do with those coin-ops?" or "Is that the world famous coder of Dictators, Nemesis?" Answer to all these: no, no and no. Nemesis is comic character. Those who have read the "2000 AD" magazine, will remember the weird looking demon with spiky horns and hooves. Nemesis is also one of the weir- dest characters in that magazine, not only because its main character is a demon,but because it has also a very interesting human character, Torquemada, who is not only the most evil man who has lived on the surface of the Earth, but ALL the most evil men who have ever lived... @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Nemesis was created by Pat Mills,who has also created some of the other 2000 A.D. characters, for example Slaine and ABC Warriors. Pat Mills has also written most of the Nemesis stories by himself. Nemesis has been drawn by many artists, who all have their own unique style. The best of those styles,at least I think so (others may have their own opinion), is that of Kevin O'Neill.His style is quite sharp, unlike that of Bryan Talbot's,who draws a bit smoother... The third artist NEMESIS THE WARLOCK 7 2/3 is John Hickleton. His Nemesis is the weirdest of all, drawn with a lot of front pictures of Nemesis (his profile looks better) and odd pictures where Nemesis twists his neck like it was some kind of elastic material, with no bones.. As I said, all styles are different from each other. The story of universe where Nemesis lives, goes like this. Some aliens attacked Earth and caused a lot of suffering. Time passed, and some of the humans started to raise resistance against the Aliens. Those who could fight were called The Terminators. Soon, the Earth was clean again. But how long would that last? It was decided to undertake the greatest crusade of all, the quest for purity to the stars. The thought,vanguishing of aliens became soon the ultimate - religion of the Termight, which Earth's empire was now called. Humans scowered the galaxy in search for alien life forms in order to destroy them. The deadliest terminator of all was was Torquemada. And the most powerful of aliens was de warlock Nemesis, the Dark Lord. There is lot of black humour in Nemesis, for example when Nemesis makes a deal with one of the Terminators ( to remove Termight forces from alien planet ) and promises to give him gold,courage and handsome looks ...of course Nemesis thinks that the most handsome being in the universe is an alien, and Torquemada doesn't exactly like aliens ...Then there is Nemesis' Great Uncle Baal, who experiments on humans... NEMESIS THE WARLOCK 8 3/3 In the course of events, Torquemada has almost started to be his own series. And no wonder, he is the most evil villain in the comic history. He was a real human, flesh and blood in the beginning,but then he turned into a phantom,who can't be killed.His "host body" (where his phantom lives) has a bad habit to decay very quickly. And that's why he has to change his body every now and then... Quite weird,eh? It's a bit pity, that Nemesis hasn't achieved as great status as the other 2000 A.D. character, Judge Dredd. For example here in Finland it's quite difficult to find Nemesis- albums or 2000 A.D. ...but in Great Britain,you can get almost every Nemesis story ever made. Nemesis stories have been published in its own magazine - (still being published by Fleet- way/Quality, now it's at number 8) and Titan Books' Nemesis Book 1 - 9. If you can get some of those, go and buy it! And if you want to see some of that comic before you buy it, there is some of my Nemesis pictures in this magazine.And as Torquemada would say : "Be pure !" "Be Vigilant !" "Behave !" SUN CONNECTION INTERVIEW The usual questions asked by SPIRIT... PLEASE TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT YOU AND YOUR TEAM. My name's Geronymho, my team is called Sun Connection. I founded it in 1988. Now we're 9 members, we're graphic-oriented, and we plan some new hot productions, but I can't tell more, you'll see by yourself in some time! Our goal is not to be the best, but to do our best. We think we can do better than today, and so we will do. I do musics with Cobburn for Sun Connection. It's a lot of fun to work together! We did, for example, the Sun Slide III music (we hope => => => => ADS FOR FREE ARTICLES FOR NOTHING Yeees, that's right. Ads are gonna be for free at least in Sentinel Issue 2, if not in issue 3 too... If you want to include some kind of a logo within your ad send a no-no-name disk for us as a bribe.. Your picture shouldn't have more than 1-6 colors and the ideal size would be about 64x64 pixels. And send your material on disk, not on paper, so it'll get published properly... SUN CONNECTION 31 2/3 you enjoy it!).So, I'm really interested in getting in touch with musicians, to swap some samples, modules, and ideas! BEST DEMO? BEST MEGADEMO? Cebit demo is certainly I can't say one megademo is the one of the best. best, but Red Sector's one was was really great, and BudBrain megademo had scenarii, and lot of fun, and that's great! BEST GFX-MAN? BEST MUSICIAN ? Omen of Sun Connection. Romeo Knight, JPN, Dr. Awesome, Fleshbrain,Chris Huelsbeck,Greg, Firefox. BEST TEAM? BEST UTILITY? Red Sector is best,but Dpaint 3.21, of course. many teams reach the top, and that's fun. BEST ARCADE GAME? BEST ADVENTURE GAMES? No time for games. Idem. SUN CONNECTION 32 3/3 Your opinion of the scene? Too many people think to be the best. Arrogance is not right, friendship should be a rule, not something so rare! There are some few people who think the same way. That's, according to me the hope of the scene..But they're too few, and that means that I must consider two scenes. The ugly big swapping scene, and the little nice friendship scene (TPL norway, Level 4, Demons). What hardware do you use ? Only a 1Mb A-500, with 2 drives, and a stereo amplifier. How about wars between some groups? I think it's enough of the true wars in the world. I get bored of all these people who want to kill the world, just to stay alone, just to stay the only left and so the only best. Ok... do you want to add something? Yes. You can ask for our productions to our swapper End Of Data. Write to him: Deso Philippe, Quartier des Lones. 84200 Carpentras. France. If you think you're the best, don't write, it's better. If you want to chat with me, write it in the letter, he'll give me your letter. QUALITY JOKES 46 1/4 VERY INTELLIGENT JOKES - I heard, that you fuck your dog! ...is that true?? - Yes, it really is! - Is it a girl or a boy dog?? - A girl dog, of course! Do you think I'm abnormal?? A man went to the fortune-teller and sat in front of her crystal ball. - I can see, that you are father of two children, said the old woman. - That's what you think, I'm father of three children! - The fortune-teller smiled and said: - That's what YOU think... A depressed woman walked at seaside, when she suddenly noticed a bottle in the sand. She picked it up and pull the cork off. She heard a flutter and a big smoke cloud went out. "You have opened the door of my prison, said a spirit to woman. I give three wishes to you, because you helped me. But note that everything you wish, your husband gets double." QUALITY JOKES 47 2/4 "For what?", asked woman. "That shithead left me for another woman." "It just has to be like that", answered the spirit. Woman asked for one million dollar. A flash and a million bucks appeared. At the same time her husband saw two million dollars next to his feet. "And what is your second wish?" "Spirit, I want the most expensive diamond necklace! A flash again, and the woman got the necklace. Somewhere else her husband was looking for a diamond dealer, who could buy his new surprise gift. "Spirit, is that really true, that my husband has now two million dollars and more jewels than I do?" "Yes", answered the spirit. "OK, now I am ready to say my last wish, said the woman. "Scare me half to death!" A woman told to her girlfriend about her two boyfriends. - If I could put together their best qualities, I'd be the happiest person in the world. George is rich, handsome and clever. Tom wants to marry me. A teacher heard a little boy saying a naughty word. - Alex! said the teacher, you mustn't use words like that. - But I heard Dad saying it, said the boy. - It makes no difference, said teacher. You don't even know what it means. - Yes I do, it means that the car don't start! QUALITY JOKES 48 3/4 A truck-driver parked his truck in front of a bar. The waitress brought him a hamburger, a cup of coffee and a piece of pie. When the truck-driver was going to eat, three Hell's Angels stopped in front of the place. They went in bar and one of them took his hamburger,second drank his coffee and the third ate his pie. Truck-driver didn't say anything. He got up, took his jacket, paid the bill and left. One of motor-cycling men said to waitress: - That guy was a real chicken! - He wasn't a good driver either, he just drove over three motorbikes. Motor mechanic said to a customer: - I think it's going to be a larger repair you thought. Your accumulator needs a new car. - What do you love in me most? My beauty or my fantastic body? asked the wife from her husband. - Your sense of humor. Ho haa hooo haaaa!!! - What's the record in laziness? - ??? - A man marries a woman already pregnant!! He he ha ha ha ... LAATUVITSIT II LAATU ON KORKEA 49 4/4 A couple of men were boozing at the penthouse bar of a high skyscraper. The other men said to other: - You know, when I drink this stuff, I can jump down from here and nothing will happen to me! - Ha ha, that's bullshit. - Nooo, it's not bullshit, said the first man and hopped over the banisters. A few minutes later the doors of the elevator opened and he came to the table, smiling. The second man looked at his glass. - This is really heavy stuff. I'll try that too... Then he jumped down. THUD! He smashed to the ground. The bartender sighed. - You're a real asshole sometimes, Superman... - Hei mixei kukaan tee en|| filmej| Stallonen kanssa? - No katos kun kerran filmin ohjaaja ja Stallone oli katselemassa k|sikirjotusta. Ohjaaja sano: Hei Sly, heit|s k|ssari t|nne! Sylvester siihen: Oukei! (sokka pois) PUMMMM!!!! HE HE HE HE HE he he he he...|||h.. 2 mummoa meni marjaan. Toinen ei mahtunut. HHHEEEEE No joo nyt t|| menee liian pitk|lle... Parasta lopettaa.. BEHIND THE MASKS 33 1/2 THE GUYS BEHIND THE MASKS The main thing is our aliases. In the most of the cases, the only things we know about our swappartners are their nicknames and the towns where they possibly live in. All the time we send them some "hot" games and get some back with big pleasure, big deal! All of us hide behind an invented name and tell bullshit about some other guys in some phase of our existence. The whole scene is based on the nicknames and the magazines speak about "crackers" and "pirates" with really big headlines. But behind every mask, every nickname, there's a guy who wants to be known, to be seen, to head up from the grey mass. Every swapper or coder or anyone wants to get attention for what he/she has done.This scene is full of really normal human beings who just want to get in touch with other people and have good friends, to be someone! But still there are guys who start a war against someone else, of course to get even more famous. But that's the part of this all what's totally sick! First we get some friends and then we start to speak bull about them and start some fights. Really bright! After some weeks you just notice it: where have all my friends gone? there you sit alone with nobody to have fun with... BEHIND THE MASKS 34 2/2 And you're the only one to blame,nobody else than you! Try to digest that fellows... And some modified words from a pop-song..."It is all the same... only the names will change... everyday it seems we're wasting away...another place where the faces are so cold...I'd drive all night just to get back home..." Let us try to hang on out there, pals! (Awcy/Clones) CHESTER OF BRAINSTORM 15 1/4 BRAINSTORM INTERVIEW Hello Chester!! Tell us something about yourself! I am 18 years old.. I am founder, organizer (together with Majestic), Zine-editor, Gfx-artist and spreader of our own productions. Well, everyone knows that you're making Zine now. Why the rumors about you dropping Zine? Well the fact is that Orlando and Chester have done the whole work until now. So, when we sat together in front of the computer one evening we lost the motivation and wanted to drop. But then the Accused wanted to do something new for ZINE and so we'll go on to produce it. The work will now be split up between some different BRS-members. Tell us something about BRS's history! BRS was founded in May -89 by Chester and Majestic. Like in every "up-coming" group a lot of members were joining us and there was also some pure elite-ones like Accused, Bird and Scattergold. Once upon a time, we had more than 30 members, so we had to kick CHESTER OF BRAINSTORM 16 2/4 out some guys because we didn't know them good and they were lazy. In winter 89/90 we trained games but we soon stopped because other groups were faster. Memberlist, please... Chester ( organizer, Zine-editor, gfx, spreader ) Majestic ( organizer, coder, spreader ) Orlando ( coder, Zine-editor,spreader ) Accused ( coder, Zine-producer ) Truxion ( gfx, spreader ) Luke ( coder ) Bird ( coder ) Scattergold ( swapper/spreader, modemtrader ) ESA ( coder ) COM ( coder ) Shadow ( the one and only German member,all others are Swiss. Shadow is swapper/spreader ) Grubi ( sound ) Spirit ( sound ) Oli ( gfx ) Mr.Frost ( modemtrader ) Sixpack ( swapper/spreader ) Odie ( gfx, modemtrader ) CHESTER OF BRAINSTORM 17 3/4 Your future plans... ?? Perhaps we'll organize a big New-Year-Conference. All other things are --- TOP SECRET --- Ok, lawbreaker. Now give a list of your favourites. Best teams: Scoopex Finland, Kefrens, RSI Best demos: Mental Hangover, Ice Cold Coke by Phenomena, Kefrens Mr. Munk (!!!) Best megademos: Crionics megademo, Kefrens MD VIII, CRB II Best utilities: DPaint III, CygnusEd, Diskmaster Best crackers: FFC Pest coders: Slayer, Delta, Mr. Gurk, Tec, MMM, Metalwar Best GFX-creeps: Reward, J.O.E., Dark, Dr. C, PGCS Best muzakmen: Noise/Celtic, Rodeo Knight, Dr. Awesome, Fleshbrain, Firefox & Danko Best games: Battle Squadron & Twintris (but I don't play lot!) CHESTER OF BRAINSTORM 18 4/4 Now write here a word about Amiga-scene or die! There are too many boards around; the cracker-scene is better now, because there are more groups as one year ago, demo groups have not enough new ideas for their demos, but demos are still the best thing in scene; friendship is again really important for some groups, some groups found "friendship" a quite good thing to rebuild the scene, but I heard that Bloodsuckers wanted to join them, that's a strange thing!! Allright, Chester, thanks a lot for this interview and now your final words... The next Zine (#7) should change again a little bit, but...let the future come.... OY MAINOS-TV 50 1/7 E.O.C 1999 (Sirus 1) (Simon) 136 Vale Road , Seaford Sussex, England, BN25-3HB 1 disk with letter - 101 % reply, no disk - no reply! Chris 23 Stanwell Close Wincobank, Sheffield England, S9-1PZ Penguin (Steve) 10 Campbell Court, Portrack Stockton, England (Disk with letter - 101% reply) . Norman (Turbo distribution) 88 Green Lane, Hampstead Great Barr Birmingham England,B43-5LG The Funny Guy of Spaceballs is looking for new contacts. T.F.G. , Hemmersvej 34 7800 Skive, Denmark NO swapping! NO swapping! Greets to all contacts. Marc 'Panther' 8 Blacksail Close, Wrensfield Newtown, Stockton-on-Tees Cleveland,England TS19-0BG tel. +44-(0)-642-616264 OY MAINOS-TV 51 2/7 Contact POWERSWAP/LIVING LEGENDS for swapping cool & legal warez Franckestr 11, 338 Goslar West Germany P.S We are looking for new members too!! POWERLORDS NORWAY! Seeking a cool contact and friend? Seek no more, write to: (The Rebel / TPL-N ) Geir Jensen Marie Sordalsv. 8 C N-7036 TRH NORWAY Everyone trades with BLIBO - RARE U.K. 14 Cobham Road, Moordown Bournemouth, Dorset BH9 3AR UK Disk = 100 % Reply. . I'm looking for new contact in Europe ZADOC of BLACKLIGHT inc Mikko Pitk|nen 6kp, 73100 Lapinlahti, Finland No disk = No answer Contact STORM of REETEC for Elite mailtrading PLK 028000 D 7500 Karlsruhe West Germany Also for membership! Diabolos of Midnightsun P.O.Box 13 51601 Haukivuori, Finland 100 % to cool dudes with disks OY MAINOS-TV 54 5/7 If you are looking for cool contact,write to VULCAN/CHROME for elite-mail trading Jari,Sepp|l|ntie 4 62800 Vimpeli,Finland. Only cool dudes in well-known groups. CHROME - Only coolest survives!!! Contact MISSIONARYS! MISSIONARYS (don't forget) Poste Restante 28500 Pori,Finland 100% reply!! For elite-mail trading write to Dir/CAVE P.O BOX 11 28450 Vanha-Ulvila Finland Only cool dudes in well-known groups! . Contact us for elite demo-swap PHOBOS/MIDNIGHTSUN P.O BOX 2, 45740 Kuusankoski Finland APOLLO/MIDNIGHTSUN P.O BOX 7, 45701 Kuusankoski Finland Wanna contact Perfect Illusion ?? then write to: Perfect Illusion, Poste Restante 17200 V||ksy, Finland We also need some productive members..contact us for joining! contact Frap/Magnetic Fields 37 Stetchworth Dr Boothstown,Worsley M28 4FU,Manchester England OY MAINOS-TV 55 6/7 Wanna trade the latest with a cool dude? Write to: Rocket/Hypnosis Lars C. Ormesberga S-340 36 Moheda, Sweden ...and do not forget to enclose at least 1 disk. Contact Thalysis at: Mirage of Thalysis plk 050944 d 87 Wurzburg West Germany Call Reaktor BBS called the Fat Slag! Would you like to have a conference with Sandra & Tracey? Call: (0)670-540 210 Supports speeds up to 14.4. . Contact Space Ace of Cult for hot and fast swapping: P.O.Box 151 2070 Raholt, Norway If you wanna join Duplex... If you wanna talk with Duplex... If you wanna swap with Duplex... (chocolats or tins of beer) or really good stuff.... Write to: Case, PLK 007 115 D 2080 Pinneberg, United Germany Elite only: Zaphod of Amaze PLK 007115 D 2080 PBG, West Germany Send today! OY MAINOS-TV 56 7/7 Contact Groucho of Cult for swapping the latest legal stuff: PLK 050255 D 8500 Nurnberg 91 West Germany please don't forget to write the "91"!!! Contact Metallic of Decay for articles for the upcoming diskmagazine F.R.A.U.D. Write to: John D. Spinkbrae 29 Queensland 4069, Australia Genocide Wanna swap with Genocide? If yes, then write to: Al of Genocide Kirnukuja 2 e 20 70780 Kuopio, Finland disk(s) = 100% answer . Do you wanna get a fast Hungarian contact? You have to write to this address: Majic 12, Kozak Zoltan 9400 Sopron, Scharmar 2, Hungary We can swap with 3.5" and 5.25" disks too!Disk+letter=100%answer. Zapotek of Gate P.O.Box 140 3801 Boe Norway For elite mailtrading contact: Terminator X / System Five PLK 027786 D 7500 Karlsruhe West Germany P.S.Only pure elites!! OY MAINOS-TV 53 4/7 TECHNIQUE / SAVAGE PL 125 02770 Espoo, Finland Contact Wizzcat P.O.Box 18 - SF 15701 Lahti, Finland Girl Swapping!! Contact: BANDIT Reste Postante , 21100 Raisio, Finland greetings to: Irmeli, Hilma, Vieno, Hillevi & all others! . K-Kauppa tarjoaa: HK:n sininen : 15:95 Jukurtti : 2:95 Tamppoonit : 24:95 Hammasharja : 99:95 Sikanauta : 995:00 Kososen leip| : 5995:00 Dog swapping !!! Contact: MR. MAD!!! Poste Restante 20540 Turku, Finland Speciality: Badger-dogs. greetings go to Maukka & Yk|. Ostaha sie halpoja kelloja & nahkatakkeja. Contact: WARLOCK P.O.Box 27, 20540 Turku, Finland. Hai! OY MAINOS-TV 52 3/7 Possessed are searching for new members worldwide! Especially for swappers. Send contactlist and ya latest stuff! Write to: PLK 091097 E 3300 Braunschweig, West Germany For elite mailtrading contact Electro/MMI: 43 Knighton drive Stoneygate Leicester LE2 3HD England the Untouchables PLK 014626-C 7300 Esslingen West Germany P.S. Disk = 100% answer Only legal stuff! . All evil minds write to us. They write to Possessed. Contact Tiger under: PLK 091083 E 3300 Braunschweig West Germany Psst, you there! Yeah, you! Want Fast & Clean Phonesex??? CALL: +44-071-497 8973!!!! AND ALL YOUR DREAMS WILL COME TRUE!! AHHH! Ensin kaljaa ja sitten viinaa?? Ei ikin|! Min| k|yt|n t|t| DRINK & GO - juomaa! Se sis|lt|| 99-prosenttista ainetta... ved|n vain k|nnin ja menen! DRINK & GO! JOHN WORTH 11 1/2 THE ADVENTURES OF JOHN WORTH Part One : The Fridgerator 'Click' 'Whoooah! It really does go out when I close the door!', said John Worth when he sat in his fridgerator. You can't think of how he felt when he was sitting there in dark,cold and on the top of his dinner. 'I can't wait to see their faces when I tell them it really did go out! Well, now I got to get out of here before it gets really cold! I'll just open the door... ngghhh...nghghghghg...shit, why doesn't the door open !?!?' If only he could have known what there was.A big,no,HUGE monster was sleeping in front of it. Not exactly a monster, but his little doggy, Saddam. So John worth sat in his fridgerator and waited that Saddam would wake up. And waited. And sat. And waited and sat. While John Worth sat and still waited in his fridgerator, all hell broke loose. Or not quite hell, but something similar, flames and heat and that kind of show stuff. Mars blew up. JOHN WORTH 12 2/2 'Somebody please let me out!!! I'm freezing!!!', yelled John. John had waited for thirteen and a half hours in the fridgerator. He wasn't hungry nor thirsty. He had eaten one piece of chicken, couple of potatoes, yoghurt, twentythree slices of russian sausage with one litre of ketchup, three raw eggs, three litres of milk and many many cans of dogfood. 'Yum, this stuff is tasty! No wonder Saddam likes this stuff!' So Mars had blew up because some strange reason and the radiation from it reached the surface of Earth. Exactly 2 minutes and 16 seconds after the bang. John of course didn't know this all,because he was sitting in his fridgerator and eating it empty. But Saddam knew about it. Not exactly know, he kind of feeled it.Because of the radiation from Mars he had got two extra legs. Now of course he got to go and test them. John heard when Saddam moved from the fridgerator and when Saddam started to run and test his two extra legs. John opened the door and left his cold prison. 'Aaah. It's feels good to move again.' 'It sure does!' said the toaster. To be continued... The Adventures Of John Worth (C)1990 Dr.Lizard And Doc Death Coming soon : Part 2 !!! SPECIAL EFFECTS 9 1/2 MAGIC OR WHAT ? Has anybody ever heard about the movies Star Trek I : The Motion Picture or Blade Runner or 2001:A Space Odyssey or Brainstorm or Back To The Future Part I-III or Star Wars Trilogy? Well,I guess that quite a many remembers those movies, but why ? Because the story was so nice and all those movies are somekind of Science Fiction. But I guess the main reason is the spectacular special effects. In everyone of those movies are the best effects of the era, made by famous Industrial Light And Magic and Douglas Trumbull`s team. "It doesn't look real if it isn't done by ILM" is maybe true. Out of all effects houses ILM has reached the line where it is - almost impossible to tell whether the effect is from real life or from somebody's imagination. They do not use too much computer graphics, and that is good, because miniature models (look BTTF II for example) look a bit more realistic than computer graphics. Of course they have done some work with computers also, but the main job is always done with a hard work, making miniatures and using lights and colors in the right amounts. Douglas Trumbull is quite a different from ILM, but not entirely. Effects in Poltergeist (ILM) are somewhat similar to those of Brainstorm (Trumbull also directed and produced that movie). He has used kind of a "warpspeed" effect in several SPECIAL EFFECTS 10 2/2 films; Brainstorm and 2001 are the most visible marks of that kind of technology.In Star Trek I he used a kind of a "slow- warpeffect" in the parts where Enterprise penetrates through the V'Ger's cloud. It is easy to tell which one is better, ILM or Trumbull, because both of them have made effects to Star Trek saga. Trumbull made the first one, ILM made II,III and IV.Star Trek V's effects were made by Ferren & Associates, and that work was so horrible (at least in the video version) that Ferren should never be allowed to make any effects at all. Whether Star Trek VI (confirmed by the last news) is going to have effects by ILM or some other effects house, is yet to see. . Well, I can't think of anything more to tell about the wonderful world of Special Effects..But if you want to know more, go to see those movies somewhere and read the book about ILM... -Dr.Lizard Of Dictators Finland§