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' | | | | NeBraska/sOS vs. Mark Ryder/Mo'Soul | | | | Read Latest News About The Ascii War? | | | `------------------------------------------' @END_FILE_ID.DIZ -----------------------------------------------------------------[ sof ]--- . . .--------------------------------: ----------------------------. | __ : __ __ | _| _\./_ o \/ / | /_/ (_.O._) \/ | \_\/ .__________. n e b r a s k a | _|_______ | | ________________________________________|_ __/ \| |_/ \ \_ \ \_ ___________ __ / / _ \ __)_______ _/ _/_ / \ | \_ \ \___________|\ ___________ ____________ NeB / | \__________| \___________/ \___________/ | | | __ X | _ | | / \ ____/ _ | | \__/ \\ __ | `-------------------------------------------------\ /---------' \/ __/\ \ \________ _ _______________________\ \ _ _/_______ ___________________________ _ \ \/__/ ______/ NeBraska \ \______ \ Mark Ryder (Save Our Souls) \ / | \ (Mo'Soul) _ ___________________________\ \_________NeB___________________________ _ \/ _____. _ __ _______ ________ ______|_ |______ ____________________________ \/ /___\_ /___\ / / / / /. /_. / /\ / /_. | \/______| /_______|__\_______\__\_______| · _ ____\ /______\÷e÷ ._____ ________ ____ /\__ ___|_ _|________. ________ . ____\ / / / / \ _|___ ___\ / | / / _/\ _/ / \ \ _| / / /_. _______________ /_____\_______\___ /\__________|\__________\____\_______| / / /_____\ m A R K r Y D E R ' f r o m m e t o y o u !' This is actually real pathetic, why even spending time on messing with you, Mark Ryder, who are you anyway... I just got so pissed off so I had to write some stuff down! I HEARD YOU'VE BEEN TALKING SHIT TO OTHERS TOO PUNK. A REAL FUCKER HA? YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL YOUR TALKING ABOUT, YOU THOUGHT I WAS YET ANOTHER NEWCOMMER THAT YOU COULD FUCK OVER, SORRY DUDE, YOU'RE THE NEW BORN BABY HERE PAL. I'M FED UP WITH YOUR BULLSHIT. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE TO A PRICK LIKE YOU... NeBraska The following text written by NeBraska/SaveOurSouls is just my version of what's going on between me (NeBraska) and Mark Ryder. The text is personal and has nothing to do with our groups. There is no war between Mo'Soul and SaveOurSouls, that I know of, or that I care of. Remember.. NeB vs. mR! ...man on man... Things started out the 21st of September 1996 when I released my latest ascii production called 'Respect' (filename: fA!-Res1.Txt). It was my step back into the ascii scene after about 2-3 years absence. Before that I used to create ascii art along with the big names in the business, you probably never heard about a couple of these guys in case you weren't part of the Amiga/Ascii scene back in the beginning of 1990's. Artists like 911, Danzig, Manta, Exocet, Karma, Desert, Sy-Klone, Splatt, and Godhead were big names in the industry at that time. I do really respect their work from back then, the so-called 'Oldschool' stuff was high quality ascii that you could read without being mentally (and physically) disturbed. Back to the story... My collection which only contained ascii-artist logos for the best artists in the scene, top 20 artists accourding to Punk's 'Most Respected Artists #3'. Logos for the following people were included: Mogue, H2o, Uman, Nup, Karma, Desoto, ShapeChanger, Danzig, Exocet, Tango, Chrombacher, Treach, Stylez, Count0, 2Fast, Stezothehic, Skin, Crusader, Gozz, and Fatal. *NOTE* MARK RYDER WASNOT INCLUDED! At that time I was working for my independent release-lable 'fiNE ARtS' as you might have noticed by the 'fA!-' mark in the beginning of my colly's filename. Anyway, the respons back then was.. 'Great Work!' 'I Like That!' 'Well You Could Have Done A Couple Of BoardStyling Logos To, But I Like Your Style Man!' .. 'I Like YOUR style man.' This is MY style.. or styles rather since if you look through my 'Respect Part 1' collection really good you can find no less than 10+ diffrent styles all created by me, NeBraska. Ok the process of creating a certain style takes research, were you might look at other artists styles and add your own values of what's cool and what's not, but no way I would rip off someones style as Mark Ryder later on will accuse me of doing. Styles might look alike to a certain point, but it's all a matter of personal judgement to say if it's a rip-off or not! I respect that you, Mark Ryder might think my styles look like Danzigs, but running around accusing me for something that I never did and calling me LAME a word YOU never should take in YOUR mouth.. ha poor thing.. Everything was fine so far.. I was looking around to find a cool ascii group to join.. and that's when I ran into Xcluziwe/sOS. He looked through my stuff and welcomed me into the SaveOurSouls family. I was happy to join due to my set of values I though many other good artists was working for that very group. Now afterwards I have heard split ideas about how good sOS really is, but it's looking really good to me sofar.. =) We now step over a couple of days that are of no big deal for this story atleast. We end up on the 26th of September. I'm doing my daily visit to #AmiElite and #Ascii (a channel that has been on-off for quite some time now) on irc (euroside). When I enter the #Ascii channel I 'get' a public message from MarkRyder asking if I'm the NeBraska/fA! dude.. *NOTE* ...the following text is not typed in word-by-word as things were said, since I forgot to save that neat little conversation. I've tried to tell it back as I remember it, without adding anything to make my state- ments look better than they were, nor his worse than they were. [NeB] Used to be..now I'm NeBraska/SaveOurSouls [Mark] No wonder you wrote in your colly that you respect Danzig since you rip off his style. [NeB] First of all I didn't rip off Danzig's style, I do respect the dude, but not you! [Mark] Haha you're a lameass rip-off, ha you fit good in sOS then..blabla.. ... and he just kept on blaming me for rippin' off.. saying that I was a loser who didn't know anything.. as at the same time I tried to get through his (thick?) head that he had no business messing around 'cause when I was working with my first ascii productions he was still playing around with his dick (if he got one!) tryin' to figure out how it worked.. After a while a dude named Crusader/Mo'Soul steps in on MarkRyders' side with cheap comments like.. 'Yeah listen to MarkRyder, You're A rip-off!' (He probably never saw any of my work.. who cares, let him live in his small little dream world..) 'Mark Ryder Rules!' (HAHAHHA Ass kissing or what.. get a life punk.. to bad you can stand tall and protect the stuff you say, but to hide be hind Mark's big mouth!) As the conversation went along I told Mark that the stuff I've seen from him wasn't to impressive.. And to me the entire thing seemed like he was jellows that his art wasn't as appreaciated as mine.. too bad dude.. Comparisson between NeBraska's 'ripoff' style and Danzigs work... ***[ Artist: Danzig - Logo: Danzig ]*** · : · ¦ : ____ ___|___ ¦____________________________ __\ /____________ / ___/ |\_____ \__ . \_____ \\__\/ \__ _ / / | |/ _ |/ | |/ ____/_/ / __\___/_. / ! _/ / _/ | _/ /_ _/ _/ \___ | dZG\_________\_________\_____¦ \_________\_____\____________|G'S : ¦ . : · ***[ Artist: Nebraska - Logo: Danzig ]*** _ ____ .____. / __ __________ _____ ___ | _|________/\ _\ /. ___________ __ /\_\ \ __/ \ __/ \| \ \| \/_|/ /_/\ \/_/________ \ \_ _ \ \ \ \______/ /| \_ __________\_\/ / / \/ _| \/ _ \ | / ___/_|_ / \__ \ : / / \ \__ \ \ |/ l \ / l \ :: \______ NeB /____| \___|\ |\______ / \_____ fA! / : :::. \_____/ l______/ \____| \_____/ | \_____/ .::: ::::::. | . ..::::: `--- -' ... hmm well they look alike to me... not.. another example... ***[ Artist: Danzig - Logo: Plastic Passion ]*** _ _ ________________. __________ ______________________/\____________ \\\\__ ___ \_ | \__ . \/ _________ ___ /__\__ _ / / __/ / |__/_. |___ \______ \ \___/ / \___/__. _/ \_____/ __/ | ____/ \_ _\ \_ \_/ _/ _/ | dZG\_______|_____________|__|______/__________/_____/____\_____________|G'S ____ __. ___________________ _______________________\ /. /__|___ ___/\ .______ \__ ___ \ . \/ _______/ __________\/ |/ \___ \\__ \| __ / __/ / |___ \______ \______ \/ / | \/ \ \ \ _/ \_____/ ____/ \_ _\ \_ _\ \_ _/ ! \ \ \ \_______|_______|______/__________/__________/_\____________/____\_____/ ***[ Artist: Danzig - Logo: Plastic Dreams ]*** : . : . : . | | :__/\______/| ____ ________/\__|____| _____ |\ _ \ |_____/ _ \_/ ______ ____//_|/ _ \_ |/ __/ / | \ _| \____ \/ \| \ |___/ plastic _/\\\____/ l / \__ / l \ \ / l \ dreams \ | \____ /\____| \____ /_____/ \_____ / . -\___|------\__/------| \\__/------| |---\__/---------------------- | |_____/ | | .oO: | | | . | | | : | | | :\ /\_ | | _____________________|____|___ _____| \ _____/ /__:_ | :. \ ____ \ ____ \ __________ \\\ | \_/ _____/// | | ...::. \/ | \/ _/ _/ __)__/ _| \/ _ l \____ \ | | ::.. _/ l \ \ \__l \ \__ \ \ _ \ l \ | |Oo. \_____ /__l\ / /___| \__\/___/___ / | `---------------------\__/-----\ /-\___/ |-| NeB \---------\__/-----' \/ | | |_____/ : | . : : . ... not even close.. what do you think... well a last one.. ***[ Artist: Danzig - Logo: Contents ]*** _ _________________/\ .____________________/\ ._____________________ __ _ \\_ _ / . __ \| ___ _ / _____ \| ___ _ / ______ __ _ / \__/_ | \ \ \ \__/ ._)__ \ \ \__/____ \ / ! \ ! \ \ \ \ ! \ \ \ \ \ \ %. \_________/______/___\____/____/_________/___\____/____/__________/ .% ***[ Artist: NeBraska - Logo: Contents ]*** . .___. .___. __________|\__ _ ___ | __|___/\____________ _ ___ | __|___/\_____________ __/ _ ____ __/ \| \ __ __ / _______/ \| \ __ __ _/ _____/ \ |____/ | \ _ \ \_/ \_/ __)___. _ \ \_/ \_\____ \ / l \ l \ \ / \ | | \ / NeB \ | \ \________/________/___|\____\_______/_____ |___|\____\_______/________/ `-----' ...phu that one was closer though..but still enough to tell the two diffrent styles apart.. ex of other styles by NeBraska... . . _ _____ | |______________________________ _______________ _____ _ | | | _____________ \ _ \_ | h2o | :. l \/ __________/__________) | | h2o | :::. _ \ l ..:: | _ _____| NeB:.___l__________/________________________________.::fA! |_____ _ /\__ ___ _____ :___ ___ _ __ __________/ /____) \ ___\__ \_____| \_____) \_________ ___ _ _/ _/__ _| \ _/ /___ | _ \ _| \ karma \ / \_ \_ \ / _ / \_ \_ \_ karma _ ___________\ /____| /___\ /___\/ /__| /_________ __ _ \ / l____/ \ / l_____/ l____NeB'fA! \/ \/ _ _ /\___ ____ / / / __/\__________ _ /\___\ / ____ / / \ _________ / /_\ /_. \ \/ / _ __ _______________________\__ \ / / / \\/ |_/ \ \ l \/ _/ _/___ | _ \ \ __ s k i n \ \ / | \ \\/ _ ___ _____________________________/____\ /_____ | _____/\_____/ \ / | \ / : NeB'fA! \/ .:............................:. : : : ____:____/\_________ : r e a l i t y \ / __. : \ / / : ________ ________ :_______ _____. _____.\___/ \___/_/ |___ ·\ \ \ \ \ \ \ : \ | :/ .\ \ | \ _| \___ / \_____ \_\_____ \_\ _|______\___|_ / ..:::.___\ | \_ \_ /_ /___ __\__ / __ / \ / // .::NeB:\ \___ / | _ / / \ / \ / //________::::::: / / |____\ /_ ______/_ _______/_ ________/_ ___/ : _ __ _______/ \ / : : \/ : : : b y t e s : : : : : .:............................:. · · /\__ _ __ ___/__ /__ __ _ ______________ _____/ /_____________ the __________ \/ __/ / __________ \ / / \/ _/ _/ \ / _/ / _/ _/ \_______/___\ \_______/\_______/___\ \__ =*===============\ /================NeB\ /=*= \ / \ / \/ \/ : : : :___. .________:___: /\_________ ________ ___: : _ _ ___ | |_ __| | | _______ |/ / __ Y __ Y _|____ __ _ . \: _| / | _|____ _| / / | _| | _| \ . | _ \ \_ / | \_ | \_ _ \___ | \_ | \_ \ | : \ | NeB | | \ / | | :ETS - -----\ |--------' `--------^----\ __ /------^--------^---------- - : \___| \\// : \/ ____/\___:__/\____:__/\ _ __ \ : : Y \___ _____ |_____ | __ The Silents / |:. \__ \/ |/ \ / | .: | \ / \ \ ___|:________ /\ _______NeB ====\/===========\/==\/===================== To check for yourself.. The only Danzig Collections that I have ever layed eyes at are.. -g'prunk.txt & -G'RLPSE.TXT.. those would be the only ones I could have copied one (two? three? ten?) of my styles from (which I havn't).. compare em' to my latest colly fA!-Res1.Txt.. You'll see for yourselfs! *NOTE* 'Rippin Off' A Style Is Not To Create Another Readable Style Compared To Your MangoJungo-HardToRead-Messy-NewSchool-Ascii Mark! What can I say Mark, You've messed with the wrong guy this time.. Saw that you've got banned from irc before.. well might happen again my 'friend'. That's not all.. you'll see.. well these are not threats but warnings, keep cool.. Have a coke and a smile and SHUT DA FUCK UP.. don't fuck up a scene you never ever belonged in. People are working their butts off to keep the scene alive, and we don't need your attitude to spend time, valuable time, getting pissed at.. To keep the record straight... 1. I have no problem with Mo'Soul as a group, I respect some of their artists like Vinzi/Mo'Soul etc.. 2. I want no probbs for my fellows in SaveOurSouls, since this text was written on my own initative. They have nothing to do with it! 3. 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